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Hi Jono, thanks for your help. It is definitely package group description i was after as i'm using the group as a product and the packages as tiers for that product. your solution only half worked since the module controller was already setting $this->view->set("package", $package->meta ); and it seemed i could only get one or the other working and not both. I'l just have to find a developer to implement it for me since it seems it should be sufficiently straight forward for someone in the know. Hopefully @Blesta Addons reappears soon so i can hire him since he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Thanks again for your help ??

You can change the service renew date by clicking Manage next to the service, then select Change Renew Date